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Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by Honda-TJ » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:08 am

Hi All,

Att Chris: How does the weak Rand affect your turbo setup cost? Is it still R75k?

I am planning on going boost after my wedding later this year, but if its not 75k anymore I will have to rethink my plan and saving strategy.

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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by franchizeboy87 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:00 am

x2, I know of a couple of guys that would be interested as well towards the middle of the year
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by CivicRSA » Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:28 pm

I've had a look at pricing. Unfortunately with the way the rand has gone it is impossible to keep the price the same.
I've revised the pricing and cut my margins a bit. The cost is now R85k.
Which is still a remarkably good deal.
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by Honda-TJ » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:06 am

CivicRSA wrote:I've had a look at pricing. Unfortunately with the way the rand has gone it is impossible to keep the price the same.
I've revised the pricing and cut my margins a bit. The cost is now R85k.
Which is still a remarkably good deal.
Thanks CivicRSA, not to hectic at all. Actually surprised.

Another question (few) if you don't mind hopefully you don't mind answering.

1.How long does the install takes if ones car is healthy?
2.How much labour do you charge on average? I know this will never be the same as you probably work on hours spent.

So basically if I want to turbo charge my car, how much money do I need to pay you to get it done? Just an estimate.

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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by BlackR » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:17 am

Isnt that (labour) included in the R85 000?
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Post by Honda-TJ » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:53 am

BlackR wrote:Isnt that (labour) included in the R85 000?
From my understanding no...but I might be wrong
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by Bain » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:58 pm

85k is only the turbo kit, still need labour and clutch, and 1,2 and 3 carbon syncros is advised, this is also just from what i was told. im sure Admin will correct me if i am wrong.
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by BlackR » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:09 pm

Then surely it will be more cost effective to buy the new R?
Or something similar with a turbo already?

Remember you likely not going to get insurance to pay you the extra amount spent should the car get written off.
Because the car just isn't worth it in its book value.
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by CivicRSA » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:15 pm

Labour works out to around R15K to fit the kit.
A bit more if doing an LSD or adding gauges ect.

So around R100k to turbo your R and get 280kw. likes like only a deposit on the new R. :cylon:

Some insurance companies do add it to the value. Have to check with them.
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by JDM TUNING » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:19 am

That's a good deal Chris. Difficult to beat that on the spec list provided and quality of parts used.
I have had Sameer's Turbo FN2 that you built, in shop a few times, and i must say, the build quality and fitment of all related parts is excellent.
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Post by BlackR » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:42 am

What kind of 1/4 mile times would you get on this setup in jhb?
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Post by Honda-TJ » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:27 am

I think some okes ran low to mid 14's ....but they not 1/4 mile guys.

I stand to be corrected.
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by BlackR » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:08 am

Thanks TJ
The work by Chris is always top notch, and R15 000 for a turbo conversion labour wise is not bad considering the knowledge going into it, and you basically have the confidence that it has been done right on the first attempt.

But R75 000 or R85 000 is excessive for a turbo upgrade, no?
Basically for R100 000 you get 1 second, maybe 1.5?
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Post by Honda-TJ » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:11 am

BlackR wrote:Thanks TJ
The work by Chris is always top notch, and R15 000 for a turbo conversion labour wise is not bad considering the knowledge going into it, and you basically have the confidence that it has been done right on the first attempt.

But R75 000 or R85 000 is excessive for a turbo upgrade, no?
Basically for R100 000 you get 1 second, maybe 1.5?
Agree, but a lot of okes spend money on power and not to put down the power. I am sure with proper tires these okes will run 13's all day.

And 13's is fast for a full street car.
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Post by spoonsports » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:25 am

BlackR wrote:Thanks TJ
The work by Chris is always top notch, and R15 000 for a turbo conversion labour wise is not bad considering the knowledge going into it, and you basically have the confidence that it has been done right on the first attempt.

But R75 000 or R85 000 is excessive for a turbo upgrade, no?
Basically for R100 000 you get 1 second, maybe 1.5?
That turbo is probably close to or more than R20k on it's own. If it is a proper intercooler, which it should be I'm sure, could be R5k easy. Then you still have the manifold which is time consuming to fabricate and thus not cheap. a Full Race sidewinder external wastegate manifold excluding shipping from the states is R22k on it's own. SO manifold, turbo and intercooler gets you to R45k quite easily. Then you still need downpipe, boost piping, all silicon couplers and proper clamps, injectors (Which are at least R1 per cc if not more these days), Wastegate, blow off valve, oil supply and return lines, etc. I think the price is decent and would love to do it at some stage.
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Post by franchizeboy87 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:31 am

spoonsports wrote:
BlackR wrote:Thanks TJ
The work by Chris is always top notch, and R15 000 for a turbo conversion labour wise is not bad considering the knowledge going into it, and you basically have the confidence that it has been done right on the first attempt.

But R75 000 or R85 000 is excessive for a turbo upgrade, no?
Basically for R100 000 you get 1 second, maybe 1.5?
That turbo is probably close to or more than R20k on it's own. If it is a proper intercooler, which it should be I'm sure, could be R5k easy. Then you still have the manifold which is time consuming to fabricate and thus not cheap. a Full Race sidewinder external wastegate manifold excluding shipping from the states is R22k on it's own. SO manifold, turbo and intercooler gets you to R45k quite easily. Then you still need downpipe, boost piping, all silicon couplers and proper clamps, injectors (Which are at least R1 per cc if not more these days), Wastegate, blow off valve, oil supply and return lines, etc. I think the price is decent and would love to do it at some stage.
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by BlackR » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:50 am

Not really disputing the price for the setup, let me explain
Im trying to understand the price willing to pay vs the times and performance increase over just getting an already boosted car.

A 13 second pass, that's very quick, if you manage 13 seconds up in the reef then I think its not too bad.
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Post by JDM TUNING » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:03 pm

BlackR wrote:Not really disputing the price for the setup, let me explain
Im trying to understand the price willing to pay vs the times and performance increase over just getting an already boosted car.

A 13 second pass, that's very quick, if you manage 13 seconds up in the reef then I think its not too bad.
Goodluck gents!
Go for a drive in a decent Turbo FN2 and be convinced. 260wkw at 0.7 bar & 300+ wkw at around 1.1 bar is NO slouch.


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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by franchizeboy87 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:11 pm

BlackR wrote:Not really disputing the price for the setup, let me explain
Im trying to understand the price willing to pay vs the times and performance increase over just getting an already boosted car.

A 13 second pass, that's very quick, if you manage 13 seconds up in the reef then I think its not too bad.
Goodluck gents!
sadly the car is NA as you know so a proper conversion is always going to cost a pretty penny. the fn2 isn't a VAG where you drop 10k and get into 13secs :thumbsdown:
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Re: Formula R - Turbo setup

Post by spoonsports » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:09 pm

Honda-TJ wrote:
BlackR wrote:Thanks TJ
The work by Chris is always top notch, and R15 000 for a turbo conversion labour wise is not bad considering the knowledge going into it, and you basically have the confidence that it has been done right on the first attempt.

But R75 000 or R85 000 is excessive for a turbo upgrade, no?
Basically for R100 000 you get 1 second, maybe 1.5?
Agree, but a lot of okes spend money on power and not to put down the power. I am sure with proper tires these okes will run 13's all day.

And 13's is fast for a full street car.
I had a Subaru Forester which made around 190wkw. Obviously AWD and I ran 14secs dead so yes, it's all about putting the power down and that's where the challenge lies with a FWD car. You lose a couple car lengths straight off the line and then you have to reel the time in with acceleration in third and fourth gear. So you end up needing more power to run the same times. Problem with more power is that you then have less traction again. So it's all about finding that sweet spot with a FWD car I believe. Especially if it's still street legal.
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